The end of Satan’s fuel?

**AmericanThunder** · 04-03-2018

The Fiat/Chrysler group have now announced that they will no longer have any Diesel engines in any of their line-up by 2022.
The group includes Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and Maserati.

**TransAmDan** · 04-03-2018

What about buses, when will they stop giving out clouds of black smoke?

**AmericanThunder** · 04-03-2018

Remember that its the rise of portable electronics (phones, tablets, laptops) that have driven the advances in batteries that now mean electric cars are actually practicable.
Its only a matter of time before they gain the sort of momentum in commercial and heavy goods vehicles that we have seen in private vehicles.
Wasn't it only last month that Elon Musk announced his electric truck?

**AmericanThunder** · 04-03-2018

Well - a quick look back and it was actually Nov 2017 that Tesla announced the electric semi-truck.
Its coming and its coming fast - just hope that production of electricity is ramped up to cope. And then of course we have to deal with the emissions from traditional power stations or the increased number of spent rods from nuclear power stations. Either way, the days of the internal combustion engine for road vehicles looks to be numbered.

**renchero** · 05-03-2018

Originally Posted by TransAmDan

What about buses, when will they stop giving out clouds of black smoke?

never because they are not required to be emission tested

**TransAmDan** · 05-03-2018

Originally Posted by renchero

never because they are not required to be emission tested

Annoying as the worst polluters get away with it. I don't know how buses make a profit. We have 3 buses every 15 mins down hartplain avenue. Less than 10 people on them, mostly its elderly which I guess have a free bus pass. I did use a bus about 7 years ago, it was an extortionate price, like £5 to go 1.4miles.
I'm not against public transport, if more people used it, it would get more cars off the road, however with the high prices, and having to use multiple buses to go where you want to go, its easier to walk.

**renchero** · 05-03-2018

Originally Posted by AmericanThunder

The Fiat/Chrysler group have now announced that they will no longer have any Diesel engines in any of their line-up by 2022.
The group includes Fiat, Alfa Romeo, Lancia, Dodge, Chrysler, Jeep, Ram, Mopar and Maserati.

the return of the petrol lorry ??? i can see electric being in very short supply and very expensive.

**AmericanThunder** · 05-03-2018

Originally Posted by renchero

the return of the petrol lorry ??? i can see electric being in very short supply and very expensive.

Maybe it’s time to undo the work of Beeching, and spend money on the railways with a network of distribution points for smaller vehicles to shift freight.....

**TransAmDan** · 05-03-2018

The government like spending money on railways, like HS2, a rapid link between two cities that don't speak much English.

Maybe we need British Rail again, they weren't so bad, and ticket prices we affordable. Full of money grabbing fat cats that say there isn't enough money to maintain the railways without putting up prices.

**AmericanThunder** · 05-03-2018

Without turning this into a political debate, but that’s where a company with stakeholders to satisfy and answerable to a board of investors (many of whom are not English) will always have a different agenda to a nationally owned service.
The private model can work, but only with sufficient regulation and the regulators must have teeth.

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